Transcript of NASCAR President Steve Phelps’ call with reporters

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NASCAR President Steve Phelps spoke with reporters for about 20 minutes Tuesday, the first time he’s spoken to reporters since last weekend’s races at Atlanta Motor Speedway were postponed because of the COVID-19 pandemic. All NASCAR races are postponed through the the May 3 Cup race at Dover International Speedway. No makeup dates have been announced.

Here is a transcript of the Tuesday’s teleconference:

              THE MODERATOR:  Welcome, everyone, to today’s media teleconference here with NASCAR president Steve Phelps.  We appreciate you all making the time.  We also realize that you have a number of questions for Steve here today.  We’re going to try to get through as many questions as we have for this teleconference.  We’re planning to set aside 20 minutes, a lot of activity going on here as you might imagine.

With that said, I’ll turn it over to NASCAR’s president Steve Phelps.

STEVE PHELPS:  Thanks, guys.  Appreciate you joining us today.  I’ll just make a quick opening statement as I typically do, then open it up for questions.

I want to thank you for joining us today.  We know you have a number of questions, and we appreciate your patience as we work through what is an incredibly fluid process as I’m sure you can appreciate.

Hopefully we can answer a bunch of your questions, but understand there are many more that we simply do not have answers for at this time.  We’re navigating this process with the entire industry and look forward to providing further details when they are finalized.

We’re working through both the complexity of our sport and our many industry stakeholders as well as the complexity of this pandemic and its impact on our daily lives.

I would like to express my gratitude to you the media, our teams, our drivers, the racetracks and everyone in the industry for their incredible patience and cooperation over the past week.

These clearly are unprecedented times with information changing by the hour.  Collectively our industry has made several difficult decisions, all with one thought in mind:  the health and safety of our fans, our competitors, employees and everyone in the industry.

The situation we are facing transcends the world of sports.  What is most important now is we take precautions to keep everyone as safe as possible during these challenging times.

With that, I’m happy to answer questions.

 

            Q.  When you look at trying to figure out the remaining 2020 schedule, are you looking at midweek races, doubleheaders, racing during the Olympic break?  What are the options?

STEVE PHELPS:  Most importantly we intend to race all our 36 points races as well as the All‑Star event.  What those look like at this particular point we’re looking broadly about what our options are.

At this particular point we would like to finish the season at Phoenix and keep the Playoff portion intact.  With that said, it will require a lot of different opportunities for us to look at.  We’re in the process of doing that.

No specifics around midweek races.  I’ve heard about doubleheaders, different things.  At this particular point a lot of things on the table for us to look at, working with our race teams, working with our racetracks to make sure the things that we’re putting on the table are feasible for us to do.

 

            Q.  About the teams, certainly there’s some questions with the sport being shut down for a couple months about finances.  Is there a way, for lack of a better term, a subsidy for teams in any of the national series, in essence like a parent giving a child an advance on allowance to help teams move along?  Has anything been discussed about helping teams financially through the next couple months?

STEVE PHELPS:  I think what I would say there, no specifics around subsidies or anything of that nature.  We are working with our teams closely to have them industry wide make sure we are all financially viable moving forward during this postponement of our races.

 

            Q.  How do you envision going about the process of deciding the start back of the season?  Is it possible that you could start back with events that do not have fans or do you anticipate waiting to start back when you can start back on a regular race weekend?

STEVE PHELPS:  That’s a good question.  I think the way we view this is kind of how we view Atlanta, which is we need to make sure that we are keeping our competitors and those that are at the racetracks, our race teams, our officials, we need to have the health of those folks paramount for us.

Would we consider racing without fans at some point the to get back racing more quickly without fans?  That’s in the consideration set.  I don’t know.  It’s changing so rapidly, what it means for mass gatherings, what’s that number.

Again, we’ll work with our health officials.  We’re working with a number of infectious disease professionals that are going to help us through what that looks like and whether it makes sense for us to race without fans or have our first race be back with fans.

 

            Q.  Earlier today there was a bulletin about the banning of testing except for the Next Gen related car issues.  At this time do you anticipate there could be any postponement to the next generation debut of next season or is it too early to tell?

STEVE PHELPS:  I think it’s just too early to tell.  We are working diligently to try to stay on schedule.  There continues to be barriers that are put in front of us.  We will have to adapt to those as they come.

 

            Q.  A lot of times when we talk to the fans, people will throw ideas out, kind of come up with things that may not be physically possible or might not understand what you have to do in order to get okays to do things.  How much of what is mandated or required by the networks, what are the obstacles generically to try to put this schedule back together?

STEVE PHELPS:  That’s a good question.

We are working with our media partners, with FOX, with NBC.  If you kind of consider what is going to happen, we’re in this period right now where the major sports are shut down from participating.  At some point soon we hope to all get back to finding that escape that our fans are all looking for, in our case getting back to racing.

We are working with FOX and with NBC to understand what windows might be available.  That will come as we develop this schedule.  It is complex, for sure.  But both partners have shown great willingness to try to work with us, obviously we with the other sports to find windows to get back to racing in our case.

 

            Q.  The fact that lots of sports will come all of a sudden, every sport will be back at it, does that make it really tough?  With the two‑week period off for the Olympics, will that be open to you?  Would the network require that you not do that?

STEVE PHELPS:  I would say, again, nothing has been decided at this particular point with respect to those two weeks.  Will it be a crowded landscape, television landscape, with a lot of different sports on?  Yes, it’s going to be.

I think, again, we’ll work with our television partners to find the appropriate windows so we can get back racing and make sure our fans get the opportunity to see that racing.

 

            Q.  Could you give us some insight into how much NASCAR looked at the landscape of what other sports were doing in terms of postponements and cancellations?  If so, how much did what those specific entities’ did play into your decisions with the announcement of no fans and the postponement of the season?

STEVE PHELPS:  We have a lens to what other folks are doing.  But we needed to look through our own lens of what was going to make the most sense for our fans, then ultimately for our competitors, the folks that work on the race teams, our own employees, our own officials.

Do we have an understanding that these things were happening with other sports?  Of course.  But we need to look at it as it relates to our specific facilities.  The first example being Atlanta, then Homestead‑Miami.  That’s what we looked at.

We tried to run it without fans, then made a determination that, you know what, it’s probably not in the best interest to do that, which is why we postponed those two events.

 

            Q.  Can you prioritize what you are looking for when trying to reschedule races?  Midweek races might be more of a hassle for teams, that versus doubleheaders, if fans are in a venue that has two race, they may prefer to go to the track twice separate times rather than two races over the same weekend?

STEVE PHELPS:  I wouldn’t say ‘prioritizing’ as much as we have to look at it based on so many different variables, so many different factors that will come into play.

I wouldn’t say it’s a prioritization.  It’s understanding what is available to us.  It’s understanding the races that we’ve had to postpone and what is the best way to get them fit back into a schedule.

We’ll take a holistic view of what it is, not specifically how are we going to prioritize one versus another.

 

            Q.  How much are you working on potentially having to postpone more races and/or how confident are your experts telling you you should be able to be back racing by early May?

STEVE PHELPS:  I think for us, we’re concentrating on getting back to racing at Martinsville.  We’ll have to do scenario planning that will look different than that.  Right now our priority is to get back to racing at Martinsville.

 

            Q.  On subsidies for the team, Roger Penske assured IndyCar team owners they’re going to get their first payment of their Leader Circles money.  NASCAR teams are worried about making payroll, they don’t know if sponsors are going to ask for money back, what kind of force majeure is going to come into play.  Is NASCAR concerned that teams are going to go out of business during this time?

STEVE PHELPS:  No specifics around the financials about what will happen with our race teams and how we’re going to work with our race teams at this time.

Are we concerned about teams broadly and their financial health?  Of course we are.  We want to make sure that each of our teams gets through this, each of our stakeholders in the industry gets through this crisis as well as we all can.

Lots of things on the table.  No specifics at this point that we are prepared to discuss.  Financially we need to make sure that our financials are handled with obviously the stakeholders separately, make sure that we are all aligned with what that’s going to look like.

As of right now, nothing to share.

 

            Q.  You have all these elements in play.  One of those of course is the sponsors.  Obviously some sponsorship went out the window with the individual race sponsorships.  What message are you talking to sponsors about?  Some of those sponsorships may have been geared for a certain time period that’s not going to happen now.  Is that going to be on an individual basis?  Is there a broad mandate towards those sponsors?

STEVE PHELPS:  I think from a sponsor standpoint, each of the sponsors is different, what their needs, wants and desires are, what it says contractually.

No real broad overview or a way to think about where things are with sponsors broadly.  We’ll handle those on an individual basis.

The racetracks that are not our racetracks, they’ll do the same thing.  The race teams and their sponsors will do the same thing.  Nothing specific at this particular point.

We’re looking broadly.  When we talk about stakeholders, sponsors are a huge portion of who those stakeholders are.  We need to make sure we’re adapting smartly with what we’re doing with our sponsor partners and the industry broadly.

 

            Q.  Take us through the decision‑making process last Friday at Atlanta.  It seemed like there was some mixed messaging coming out.  First we heard there was going to be condensed racing, then that changed.  Did it change that quickly?  Was there one thing or something that made it change from we’re going to race this weekend condensed schedule without fans to we’re not going to race at all for the next two races?

STEVE PHELPS:  Obviously it was a very fluid situation.  I will say this:  the industry, the teams, the track, in this case Atlanta Motor Speedway, was everyone working together to try to come to what was going to be the right decision for us and our fans, then us and the safety of our crew and personnel.  It was fluid.

It did change.  We were prepared first run on Sunday, then we were going to pull it to Saturday.  It was decided quickly that we would make a change and postpone both the Atlanta race as well as the Homestead‑Miami race.

 

            Q.  What is the primary motivation and objective behind wanting to make sure that you’re postponing the races and running them later rather than canceling them in some scenarios?

STEVE PHELPS:  Probably depends on who you ask about this.  For us, we have a commitment to our fans that we’re going to run all the races.  We have a commitment to all our competitors that we run all the races.  We have a commitment to the stakeholders broadly that we’re going to run all the races.

We are going to do everything in our power to get these races in.  If there are other variables that happen that would suggest we can’t do that, we’ll look at those at that time.

 

            Q.  Four of the seven tracks that you have postponed, they also have races in the Playoffs.  Is it your wish that the 10‑race Playoff system not be tinkered with, that you would not want to run a doubleheader for any of those four tracks that have races both outside and inside the Playoffs?

STEVE PHELPS:  I would say the answer to that is yes, we are interested in getting these postponed races done prior to our Playoff starting, so not running doubleheaders in those races that have been postponed during the Playoffs.  That is the goal that we’re working towards right now.

Again, if there are other variables that change in the future, we’ll adapt to those as well.

 

            Q.  NASCAR already has so much going on for next year between rolling out a new car and revamping the ’21 schedule.  Now you have this to deal with for 2020.  Are you punting right now on everything for next year?  I presume the timing couldn’t be worse.  With everything you already had on your plate for next year, how much more challenging does it make it?

STEVE PHELPS:  Trying to be as honest as possible.  This is not easy, right?  It’s not easy on anyone who works in this industry.  It’s hard.  We’re not the only ones this is hard on, right?

You have people who are contracting this illness.  You have people who are sadly dying from this virus.  We’re trying to keep it all in perspective with what it is that we do.

To your point, we are still pushing forward right now with the Next Gen car.  We are still pushing forward with changes to our schedule.  We’re trying to do it as smartly as we can.

The variables keep changing, right?  The hurdles keep being put in front of this industry, and this industry keeps jumping over them, then there’s another, it jumps over that, then another and another.

It’s not an easy situation for sure, but it’s one that this industry is managing together.  Really proud of how this industry has come together to try to support each other and to try to get through this as best we can.

Again, it’s a difficult situation.

 

            Q.  How much is NASCAR intending to rely on iRacing and pivoting to other means of entertainment for the NASCAR fans during the postponement?  Where are you intending to direct fans to and how much are you going to rely on iRacing?

STEVE PHELPS:  I think in general we are interested in trying to satisfy our fans with different content, whether that’s through Esports, iRacing.  Tonight, for example, we have a NASCAR Coca‑Cola iRacing Series event at 9 p.m. on ENASCAR.com.  Thank you for that plug.

But there are other things, too.  There are discussions we’re having with FOX about what things we can do, discussions we would have with NBC, things that we can put through our own channels that satisfy our fans.

Our fans are obviously thirsty for this content.  We want to provide it to them smartly and have interesting content as opposed to just repurposing some of the content that’s already been done.

More to come on that.  We want to make sure we’re servicing the fans as best we can.

THE MODERATOR:  Thank you, everybody, for making the time to jump on this.  I realize there were a number of you that had additional questions.  It was important that we made Steve available to answer at least some of your questions.  As you probably would imagine we have a lot going on here.  We’re doing contingency planning.  Anything with follow‑up, bring it to my attention and we’ll see what we can do.  Thank you.

STEVE PHELPS:  Thanks for your time, everyone.

 

Sport shows support for Gibbs family at NASCAR Awards

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The NASCAR community showed its support Thursday at the NASCAR Awards for the Gibbs family, grieving the death of Coy Gibbs on Nov. 6. 

During his interview on stage, car owner Joe Gibbs thanked the NASCAR industry for its support. (The NASCAR Awards show airs at 8 p.m. ET Saturday on Peacock).

Coy Gibbs, son of Joe Gibbs and father of Xfinity champion Ty Gibbs, died hours after seeing Ty Gibbs win the series title last month at Phoenix Raceway. Coy Gibbs, 49, was the vice chairman and chief operating officer at Joe Gibbs Racing.

Steve O’Donnell, NASCAR chief operating officer, introduced Ty Gibbs at the NASCAR Awards and noted that “everyone gathered tonight is all a part of the NASCAR family, and I know I speak for everyone that the entire NASCAR family is 100% percent behind this young man.”

Ty Gibbs received a standing ovation.

“Thank you,” he told the crowd, “that means a lot.”

Ty Gibbs spoke for less than a minute, thanking his team, sponsors, fans and the NASCAR community.

He closed his speech by saying “And thanks to my family. I love you. I hope everybody has a great offseason. Enjoy it. Thank you for all the support. Thank you for all the claps. I really appreciate it.”

Ty Gibbs spoke to the media earlier Thursday. Asked how he was doing, he said: “I’ve been doing good. Thank you for asking and definitely appreciate you guys. We’ve been doing good, doing a lot of stuff this week. … It’s been fun to experience this stuff.”

Asked about Joe Gibbs addressing the organization after Coy’s death, Ty Gibbs politely said: “For right now, I’m not going to touch on any of that subject at all. I’m just going to stick with all the racing questions and go from there.”

Cup champion Joey Logano said he spent time with 20-year-old Ty Gibbs on Wednesday at the champion’s dinner.

Logano said he told Ty Gibbs that “we’re here for you. You need something reach out.”

Brennan Poole joins Bayley Currey at JD Motorsports for 2023

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Brennan Poole will join Bayley Currey at JD Motorsports for the 2023 NASCAR Xfinity season, the team announced Friday.

Poole will drive the No. 6 car for the full season. Currey returns to the team’s No. 4 car for the season. Currey scored five top-15 finishes last season for the organization.

JD Motorsports is planning to run the No. 0 car next season. No driver or sponsor has been announced for that ride.

“We’re full throttle here and getting ready to go,” Davis said in a statement from the team. “Bayley and Brennan are signed on and looking forward to chasing races and points next year. We’re actively moving along looking for sponsor commitments and for drivers and sponsors for the No. 0 car.”

“We’ve always taken the approach here that we want to go after the series with multiple cars, and that’s how we’re looking toward 2023. The new schedule is very interesting and provides new challenges to our drivers and team members.”

The 2023 Xfinity season begins Feb. 18 at Daytona International Speedway.

Friday 5: Will Kyle Busch become NASCAR’s Tom Brady, Peyton Manning?

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The weight of an unfulfilled season, deciding where he’d race in 2023 and the impact on his Truck Series team are off Kyle Busch.

It’s back to racing for the two-time Cup champion, who seeks to reignite his career at Richard Childress Racing this season.

Busch performed his final duty representing Joe Gibbs Racing at Thursday’s NASCAR Awards (show airs at 8 p.m. ET Saturday on Peacock) and it’s now all about helping RCR win its first Cup championship since 1994.

MORE: NASCAR Awards red carpet scene

Busch will be with Richard Childress Racing this weekend at Circuit of the Americas for World Racing League endurance events. Busch said the team has turned an old Cup car into an endurance car for the event. Last year, RCR won an eight-hour endurance race there with Austin Dillon, Tyler Reddick and Kaz Grala.

Busch seeks better fortunes at RCR than what he’s had recently at Joe Gibbs Racing.

He has one Cup win in his last 53 starts — 14 drivers have won more races than Busch in that span, dating back to the July 2021 race at Road America.

His 17 top-10 finishes this past season were his fewest since scoring 16 top 10s in 2015. 

He was running at the finish in 29 of 36 points races — the first time he’s been running at the finish in fewer than 30 races since 2015. Two blown engines in the opening round of the playoffs led to failing to advance to the second round for the first time in his career. 

“It’s obviously been a challenging, not just this year, but the last little while,” Busch said Thursday at the Music City Center. “So, it’s kind of maybe a blessing in disguise, honestly, where it might just be time for a fresh start, time for something new, time for something different.”

He looks to future NFL Hall of Fame quarterbacks Tom Brady and Peyton Manning for inspiration.

Brady won six Super Bowls with the New England Patriots before  joining Tampa Bay and winning a Super Bowl in his first season with the Buccaneers.

Manning won a Super Bowl with the Indianapolis Colts before joining the Denver Broncos and winning a Super Bowl there in his final season in the NFL.

“I’m kind of looking at it as a Tom Brady, Peyton Manning aspect where they left great teams, great originations where they won championships and they were able to win a championship somewhere else,” Busch said. “I’d like to think I still have that opportunity to be able to do that at RCR.

“I look at the opportunity with the new Next Gen race car as an easier move to make now with that vs. years past with previous generation cars.”

He says that because with the previous generation of cars, there was a greater separation between teams because NASCAR did not regulate as much of the car. With the the Next Gen car, teams have the same parts. Two-time Cup champion Joey Logano that his team still has much to learn about the car and maximizing setups. 

Even with his struggles at the end of his tenure at Joe Gibbs Racing, Busch says he doesn’t go to RCR with a chip on his shoulder. 

“I don’t think I have anything to prove or I need to have a chip on my shoulder,” Busch said. “I just want to go out there and run well again. … I felt like we had a lot of strong runs this year. There were like six races I can count that we could’ve, would’ve, should’ve won and we didn’t whip is very frustrating. 

“We were so good at giving them away that I need to get back to I’m so good at stealing them and earning them.”

2. Special delivery 

Among the perks with winning a Cup title is getting the Champion’s Journal. Jimmie Johnson started the tradition after his 2010 championship. The existence of the journal remained a secret until 2017 when Johnson posted a picture on social media of him handing the journal to Martin Truex Jr.

The journal passes from champion to champion with the current champion holding on to it for a year and adding an entry for the next champion before handing it to them. Logano will receive the journal from Kyle Larson. 

“I can’t wait to read it again,” Logano said before Thursday’s NASCAR Awards. “I’m telling you, it’s probably one of the coolest things. Jimmie deserves all of the credit for coming up with the idea. 

“I wish it started sooner. It’s so interesting. Some drivers are very detailed what they write to the next champion and some are kind of quick and simple. It’s very interesting to read it. It’s cool. It’s a real secret. It’s kind of like an unwritten rule, you can’t take pictures of it and post it. It’s a thing that only the championship drivers know and have read and seen.

“Every time I get it, I’m so nervous. I’m like don’t spill anything on this thing, don’t lose it. It would suck to be the guy that loses that. That would be bad. I’m putting it right in the safe.”

Logano won his first Cup title in 2018. He then gave the journal to Kyle Busch, the 2019 series champion.

“It’s something you put a lot of thought into, at least I did,” Logano said of what he penned. “I wrote a letter to Kyle. You put a lot of thought into it. It’s something that will be there as long as our sport is around. I hope so at least. It’s a really great tradition.”

3. Fun factor 

The day of last year’s NASCAR Awards, William Byron said he wanted compete in more races outside NASCAR in 2022. 

Byron, who seeks to make Sunday’s prestigious Snowball Derby Super Late Model race, has fulfilled his goal, winning, gaining confidence but also having fun.

“What I got out of it was immediate fun, sort of relief,” Byron said of racing various Super Late Model races this year. “It was not racing the Cup car. It was different. It was not as stressful working with the team and things like that because there’s not as much on the line. There’s still prize money and things, and honestly you’re there to have fun. I enjoyed that.

“As I got going in it, I realized how productive it really was for me to do it, how much I was learning. As I did it more often throughout the season, I learned little nuances that were helping me get back in the Cup car with a better skill set.”

That element of fun stood out to Byron. Cup racing is full of pressure with the multi-million dollar sponsors, expectations to win and all the people at the shop relying on the car’s performance. That’s significant pressure, on top of what any driver puts on themself.

“There’s a lot of guys that you are trying to provide for and do a good job for,” Byron said of Cup racing. “There is a weight to that. You want to perform for those guys that work non-stop at the shop. There’s just a much broader net that you are casting as a driver. Whenever you go to the short track level, it’s you and six to 10 guys working on the car. … There’s natural pressure with what we’re trying to do at the Cup level because it is the No. 1 motorsports in the U.S.”

4. Looking for a ride

Ross Chastain says he’s been “trying for years” to get a ride in the Rolex 24 at Daytona International Speedway without success but that hasn’t deterred him.

“I’ve met with the president of IMSA,” said Chastain, who finished second to Joey Logano for the Cup title this season. “I’ve met with team owners. I’ve talked to drivers. I just can’t find my way in yet. I haven’t found the right person yet to either tell me how to do it or give me the opportunity. I could show up with sponsorship and get a ride, but how do I get in as a race car driver? I haven’t found that spot yet.”

Chastain said he’s reached out to some this offseason with no luck. 

He said the prestige of the season-opening IMSA event (Jan. 28-29, 2023) draws him but he also wants to gain more experience racing on a road course — even with his win at Circuit of the Americas this past season. And Chastain is not picky on the type of ride he’d like to have for that race.

“I’m not even looking to be in the top class. I want to find a mid-pack Xfinity team of the Rolex and go run there and experience it and then just to be around those road racers that do it year around. I know I could learn something. … I just want to race.”

5. Indy 500-Coke 600 double

It has been eight years since Kurt Busch competed in the Indianapolis 500 and Coca-Cola 600 on the same day, the last time the feat has been accomplished. 

Kyle Busch and Kyle Larson are among those who have expressed interest in running both races in the same day but don’t appear to be in a position to do so in 2023 because of the limited IndyCar rides available. 

Roger Penske, owner of the IndyCar Series and Indianapolis Motor Speedway, said he could see Jimmie Johnson attempting it this year, and others as soon as next year. 

“It’s about having the car and the manufactures, whether it’s Chevy and or Honda,” Penske said, referring to the IndyCar manufacturers. “All would be interested to see somebody run the double. Maybe Jimmie is going to do it, which would be great. 

“He has the experience. He did very well on the ovals. … It’s my understanding that he’s going to run potentially the 600 as one of his races (with Petty GMS). We’ll see.”

NASCAR Awards: Scene on the red carpet

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The NASCAR community gathered at the Music City Center to commemorate the 2022 season and celebrate Joey Logano‘s second Cup title.

The event can be seen at 8 p.m. ET Saturday on Peacock.

Here is a look at the scene on the red carpet before Thursday night’s NASCAR Awards:

Joey Logano and Brittany Logano (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Ryan Blaney and Gianna Tulio (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Kyle and Samantha Busch (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Chase Elliott (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Alex Bowman and Crystal Marsh (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Tyler Reddick and Alexa De Leon (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Denny Hamlin and Jordan Fish (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Daniel Suarez and Julia Piquet (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Chase Briscoe and Marissa Briscoe (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Christopher Bell and Morgan Bell (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Austin Dillon and Whitney Dillon (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Kyle Larson (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

William Byron and Erin Blaney (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Kevin Harvick (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Ross Chastain and Erika Turner (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Austin Cindric (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Kurt Busch (Photo: Dustin Long)

 

Harrison Burton and Jenna Petty(Photo: Dustin Long)
Mario Andretti (Photo: Dustin Long)